*Official* Football Manager 2022 Feedback Thread

[stopazricky (Inactive)]

19 minuti fa, TheArsenal63 ha scritto:

What about center play or IF and IW not cutting inside? Was there a fix for these or have these been delayed like the pass completion issue?

It'd be great if they let us know

[mhaffy (Inactive)]

1 hour ago, Zemahh said:

Glad to see the Potential Ability stars back on the profile page. 

Glad potential ability star issue sorted...pity that all average basic wage calculation still hasn't been fixed and still Zero for each player category. Raised yet again despite in Beta with SI saying they were aware of it and it was under investigation...diasappointing

 

[stopazricky (Inactive)]

20 minuti fa, TheArsenal63 ha scritto:

What about center play or IF and IW not cutting inside? Was there a fix for these or have these been delayed like the pass completion issue?

It'd be great if they let us know

[Spurs08 (Inactive)]

57 minutes ago, diLLa88 said:

Transfer offers are still horrendous, getting lowballed all the freaking time while unsettling my players.

If it's still an easy decision to just reject the offer, then do so. If it's a harder decision and you're almost tempted to accept or at least negotiate rather than keep an unhappy player, then their plan is working perfectly.

[TheArsenal63 (Inactive)]

5 minutes ago, stopazricky said:

It'd be great if they let us know

I don't think they will. The silence is kind of telling. If they couldn't fix the pass completion issue , I highly doubt they fixed the IF and IW or center play.

Looks like the same FM20 non-response and ignore users until they go away. I sometimes wonder why I buy this game early, most of the time they don't fix issues until the March update.

Back to FM21 for me then.

[Jaydenoren (Inactive)]

Just talk to us 

[Metal (Inactive)]

4 minutes ago, TheArsenal63 said:

I don't think they will. The silence is kind of telling. If they couldn't fix the pass completion issue , I highly doubt they fixed the IF and IW or center play.

Looks like the same FM20 non-response and ignore users until they go away. I sometimes wonder why I buy this game early, most of the time they don't fix issues until the March update.

Back to FM21 for me then.

I played one game and central play was improved to be honest. Haven't got deep into consecutive games as if yet to see if there are more improvements, but 1st match there was a good variety of goals coming from through balls and wing play, so I'm really hopeful the ME will grow on me compared to the beta version.

Disappointed Conte hasn't been updated to be managing Tottenham consider that was a fortnite ago

Edited November 8, 2021 by Metal

[diLLa88 (Inactive)]

5 minutes ago, Spurs08 said:

If it's still an easy decision to just reject the offer, then do so. If it's a harder decision and you're almost tempted to accept or at least negotiate rather than keep an unhappy player, then their plan is working perfectly.

You overestimate the AI I feel. As I only seem to receive ridiculous offers and they always reject a more fair price it seems that they just arent rating them fairly.

[ajw10 (Inactive)]

Just play the game and see for yourself?

[Pasonen (Inactive)]

27 minutes ago, harrycarrie said:

Used my current save as ME changes apply to it. Direct passing is mad.

 

Can you share a .pkm ? I find hard to believe this result. 4 goals after red card?

[Kingstontom88 (Inactive)]

Seeing a lot of crosses from absurdly close to the byline that are headed in at the far post by short wingers. Also long balls over the top seem very effective.

Are Man Utd not licensed in this edition? Changed to Manchester UFC in my game

[Showerman (Inactive)]

lack of data updates is poor

so much has happened in 2 weeks

game feels dated already

[craigcwwe (Inactive)]

1 minute ago, Kingstontom88 said:

Seeing a lot of crosses from absurdly close to the byline that are headed in at the far post by short wingers. Also long balls over the top seem very effective.

Are Man Utd not licensed in this edition? Changed to Manchester UFC in my game

They are not, was a well documented thing earlier in the year. 

[Jaydenoren (Inactive)]

4 minutes ago, ajw10 said:

Some right babies in this thread. Just play the game and see for yourself?

So now wanting to know what was actually changed in the game is being a baby? Some people can’t play now or hasn’t bought the game yet and want to know, grow up.

[ChelseaFan (Inactive)]

RIP Werner's finishing

From 16 to 13.

 

[harrycarrie (Inactive)]

5 minutes ago, Pasonen said:

Can you share a .pkm ? I find hard to believe this result. 4 goals after red card?

Sure. I've added the 7-0 from the before match also,

 

 

Watford v Tottenham.pkm

Tottenham v Everton.pkm

Edited November 8, 2021 by harrycarrie

[ajw10 (Inactive)]

6 minutes ago, Jaydenoren said:

So now wanting to know what was actually changed in the game is being a baby? Some people can’t play now or hasn’t bought the game yet and want to know, grow up.

Yes. They've never announced the changes from Beta to full game. The entitlement is ridiculous and is the sort of thing that will stop SI communicating with its user base

[dunk105 (Inactive)]

Loving the ball physics and deflections- it really punishes teams who sit back and just doesnt seem as predictable as FM21. You also get a real sense of piling on, or being under pressure.

[Dagenham_Dave (Inactive)]

3 minutes ago, Jaydenoren said:

So now wanting to know what was actually changed in the game is being a baby? Some people can’t play now or hasn’t bought the game yet and want to know, grow up.

There is literally no point in detailing what changes to the match engine there has been. Who would be the target audience of that information?

If you haven't played the beta, you will have no frame of reference of how it has played over the last couple of weeks (and there's also a free demo to try it, as always)

If you have played the beta, you own the game anyway, and can see with your own eyes the changes that have been made. 

 

[ChelseaFan (Inactive)]

1 minute ago, ajw10 said:

Yes. They've never announced the changes from Beta to full game. The entitlement is ridiculous and is the sort of thing that will stop SI communicating with its user base

You mean the user base that has helped it find thousands of bugs? 

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a short summary of what has been looked at /fixed and what we can expect in the next few weeks

 

[Smallen (Inactive)]

Lads some of you are moaning about the match engine when you haven’t even played the game for goodness sake. . There’s a free demo to download.

[Jaydenoren (Inactive)]

5 minutes ago, ajw10 said:

Yes. They've never announced the changes from Beta to full game. The entitlement is ridiculous and is the sort of thing that will stop SI communicating with its user base

Well considering SI kindly allowed us to test the beta for the sole purpose of discovering and reporting problems and bugs then it’s quite strange they’re not allowing us to find out about the changes without playing the game to the point they’ll lock threads after people ask about it, no?

 

Also yes, I do feel we have the smallest sense of entitlement to ask simply what changed after the full release considering we have payed/we are going to pay for the product, if this makes SI want to stop communicating with the costumer base, then that’s SI’s problem.

Edited November 8, 2021 by Jaydenoren

[Zemahh (Inactive)]

Got to say, the game feels lightning quick. Very snappy!

[Freakiie (Inactive)]

So, players are still desperate to leave CL winning Bayern for any premier league club that comes in for them because "PL is the better league!!!". Winning the CL? Who cares! You then tell them sure, you sell them for a fair price, that they agree on. 2 days later? They're in your office whining how you're asking way too much for them and suddenly what they consider a  "fair" price is like 20% less of what they considered fair literally 2 days prior.

Seriously, when will SI finally change things so players get over this absurd PL fetish? United in real life struggles like crazy to get top players in, meanwhile in FM every player just goes "holy crap, a PL club wants me? SELL ME NOW!!"

[Neil Brock]

39 minutes ago, bobbyb12345 said:

I’m confused, this morning in the beta thread it was said by one of the mods that we shouldn’t go too in depth in discussions over particular topics as it took away from the general feedback, yet someone has quite reasonably created a thread about match engine changes (because SI won’t tell us which ones they’ve made) and that thread has been locked: https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/558892-fm22-match-engine-beta-to-full/ 

So can we discuss it in here? From someone who hasn’t bought the game yet it would be useful to know

It's a feedback thread - with all due respect not sure how you can provide feedback on a game you're not playing? 

This full release version isn't the same as the beta version. If people have specific issues, we'd very much suggest raising it via our bugs forum.

We're aware of a couple of issues which are very much being investigated and reviewed in the match engine, including in relation to possession stats for weaker sides, however match engine changes are very much related to balance and need a lot of time and reviewing by our QA and dev team before we can roll that out. 

[ajw10 (Inactive)]

You are all aware that you don't *have* to buy the beta, yeah?

In future don't buy it, so you don't get all upset when SI don't release the thousand of changes they make to satisfy an unbelievable small section of their userbase 

[TheArsenal63 (Inactive)]

11 minutes ago, stopazricky said:

It'll take two days tops for the playerbase to spam all over this forum about Inverted Wingers and Wingers behaving the same. If SI really did make a much worse match engine than last year (which had a lot of central play and was very good in general imho), then they're not going to be able to hide that fact for long.

I haven't purchased FM22 and I won't until general player consensus will state that Inside Forwards behave correctly. Feels like a minutia on paper, but to me Football Manager IS the Match Engine. If the simulation of football of this football simulator is broken, the rest of the game has essentially no reason to exist for me.

I'm exactly the same. I can't enjoy the game if the core simulation fails. Everything else is window dressing. Praised FM21 because it was probably the best they made for a few years (even though it had it's flaws as well).

But now we are back to this again. I can't, for the life of me, figure out how this sort of stuff isn't caught in QA. Every year since FM19, it's almost the same issues cropping up in the match engine.

Something in the match engine is very fragile and changing a small part of it's code results in really bad imbalances. That's why you get so much bias in the styles that can be represented, it's an endless tweak fest to update the match engine but also not break anything.

And they do not seem to be succeeding in that mission or improving their toolset to make it easier for them to update the engine without breaking stuff every year.

[zgiorgos10 (Inactive)]

I want to say something to SI staff:

I play this game from championship manager series. This game is something more for us. I speak as someone who counts everything in the tactical side of the game. Many years now, from the release of the FM, i feel the game is unplayable. The tactical side of the game is a disappointment in every single year.

So when you set a confirmation date of release, why the game is not stable?

Anyone of you tell me how to play this game. Does anyone of you from SI is playing the game now?

You have some people as customers, like me, who cares about the tactics, it's the first  we look and the reason we play the game.

I am not against you, i am in your side and every year i buy the game but the disappointment is there.

Tell me a reason please why i should continue to play.

I know in three or four months, the game will be ok, but why you don't release the game in March? So many versions the game until then is unplayable...

Hope someone to answer me.

Thanks

 

 

[Dbuk1 (Inactive)]

Can I get a confirmation that no match engine changes have happened from beta to release? I'm 80 percent certain and would like to go to bed and not waste anymore time lol

[Neil Brock]

2 minutes ago, zgiorgos10 said:

I want to say something to SI staff:

I play this game from championship manager series. This game is something more for us. I speak as someone who counts everything in the tactical side of the game. Many years now, from the release of the FM, i feel the game is unplayable. The tactical side of the game is a disappointment in every single year.

So when you set a confirmation date of release, why the game is not stable?

Anyone of you tell me how to play this game. Does anyone of you from SI is playing the game now?

You have some people as customers, like me, who cares about the tactics, it's the first  we look and the reason we play the game.

I am not against you, i am in your side and every year i buy the game but the disappointment is there.

Tell me a reason please why i should continue to play.

I know in three or four months, the game will be ok, but why you don't release the game in March? So many versions the game until then is unplayable...

Hope someone to answer me.

Thanks

As someone who has worked for SI for 15 years, the game is more stable this year than it's ever been. And yeah, I've been playing it a lot, as have many of my colleagues. 

As said, if you've got feedback this is the place for it, if you've found bugs or stability issues, worth raising with support or via the bug tracker.

Thanks. 

[Neil Brock]

2 minutes ago, Dbuk1 said:

Can I get a confirmation that no match engine changes have happened from beta to release? I'm 80 percent certain and would like to go to bed and not waste anymore time lol

It is a different ME. You can tell by the version number being different. 

[zgiorgos10 (Inactive)]

1 minute ago, Dbuk1 said:

Can I get a confirmation that no match engine changes have happened from beta to release? I'm 80 percent certain and would like to go to bed and not waste anymore time lol

It s almost the same. The problems is still there. No pressing, defensive sides dominates possession

[Neil Brock]

1 minute ago, zgiorgos10 said:

It s almost the same. The problems is still there. No pressing, defensive sides dominates possession

As said it's an issue we're aware of and the team are investigating, however as with all changes to the ME it needs time and considerable testing in order for us to consider any changes. 

Even when this does happen, the balance of other stats and most importantly, results are in line with the match performance. 

[zgiorgos10 (Inactive)]

2 minutes ago, Neil Brock said:

As someone who has worked for SI for 15 years, the game is more stable this year than it's ever been. And yeah, I've been playing it a lot, as have many of my colleagues. 

As said, if you've got feedback this is the place for it, if you've found bugs or stability issues, worth raising with support or via the bug tracker.

Thanks. 

Ok then, so tell me what to do, i play as a a manger of Manchester City, and we have a game at Etihad against Southampton. It's possible for my side to dominates possession? If the game finish 5-0 and Southampton has 70% ball possession it's normal Will you continue to play the game?

[Peter G (Inactive)]

27 minutes ago, Showerman said:

lack of data updates is poor

so much has happened in 2 weeks

game feels dated already

The data is locked on 25th Oct. 

[Nero182 (Inactive)]

Nearly 500mb update from Beta to Full Release! Must be a decent amount of changes made!

[Neil Brock]

Just to reiterate, this thread is for feedback on Football Manager 2022. 

Would appreciate people keeping it on topic and taking into account the ground rules:

• Constructive feedback is helpful. Constructive doesn't necessarily mean positive, but at least give us your reasons. Help us to help you by giving details.
• Respect other opinions. We don't expect you to always agree but read other's posts and respect their position.
• Please take Tactical Discussion elsewhere. We've seen that these types of threads can see posts focused on the tactical side of the game and whilst this is interesting, it's much more appropriate discussion for our Tactics, Training and Strategies Discussion.

Cheers. 

[Marinho (Inactive)]

2 minutes ago, zgiorgos10 said:

Ok then, so tell me what to do, i play as a a manger of Manchester City, and we have a game at Etihad against Southampton. It's possible for my side to dominates possession? If the game finish 5-0 and Southampton has 70% ball possession it's normal Will you continue to play the game?

Maybe don't use the most extreme tatctic with a gazillion Instructions for a change ? I routinely get 55-60 % against weaker side as Leeds.

[buddiemirren (Inactive)]

1 minute ago, ajw10 said:

You are all aware that you don't *have* to buy the beta, yeah?

In future don't buy it, so you don't get all upset when SI don't release the thousand of changes they make to satisfy an unbelievable small section of their userbase 

i had intended to wait until i had completed a full season under the new ME before posting my comments on the differences from Beta but the narrative on display here, where moderators are tacitly condoning attacking the section of the user base who are just asking reasonable questions has led to the following;

 

I personally put about 200 hours into the Beta and I'm about 2 hours/ 12 games into the full release.

i dont see any changes, not one. i notice there was a 3.5 GB update but honestly i havent noticed anything different from the Beta. I'm sure there will be plenty on here who want to try and belittle me or direct their abuse in my direction now but....not 1 change, not one bit of difference.

of course, if someone from SI wants to point out any of the differnces that i cant see, i'll take that on-board and maybe stand corrected but until then. NOT ONE SINGLE DIFFERENCE !!!

[zgiorgos10 (Inactive)]

1 minute ago, Marinho said:

Maybe don't use the most extreme tatctic with a gazillion Instructions for a change ? I routinely get 55-60 % against weaker side as Leeds.

Yes because the other teams play against you with higher mentality.

[StevehFC (Inactive)]

Just downloading game now. Is their a dark skin for this year's game to download? 

[Arnar (Inactive)]

11 minutes ago, ajw10 said:

It's a new ****ing game, of course there's been changes. There are always changes

You do know that usually when games go from early access/beta there is a patch note that follows?

[Weed07 (Inactive)]

Seems a few people are never happy and complaining already without even playing the full game.

I'm into my 5th season continuing from Beta, i don't know and don't care what specifically has changed since Beta but i'm really enjoying the match engine and my team has scored and conceded some really beautiful goals and some scrappy goals or defensive mistakes but it all looks good.

A couple of things i've noticed in the games since release look to have been fixed but i'm a small sample size so don't know but in my first game my team scored a good goal that came from a low cross and the opposition scored a near post volly from a whipped cross, in beta most crosses seemed to be floated to the back post so those two goals were good and better than i saw in beta and i've since seen a good variety of goals from crosses.

Secondly i have watched the full first half of a game and noticed my left inside forward consistently cut in onto his right foot to dribble towards the box or cross as i would expect him to. I can't say the issues have been fixed but they didn't look like being an issue.

Possesion stats my tactics are based around posession so we have a high number of sucessful passes of around 90% which may be high but i play much shorter passing so i would be dissappointed if we didn't have a high % completed and so far the teams i've played have had 80% - 83% which is slightly lower than the 86% - 90% that teams against us were getting in the Beta games. I don't know if those figures are high or not but opposition figures for completed passes seems to have come down a little bit.

Overall as someone who has played every version of FM and played upto 3000 hours in each one i am currently happy with the match engine and there has been a lot less frustration in the ME than in FM21

[DarJ (Inactive)]

3 minutes ago, buddiemirren said:

i had intended to wait until i had completed a full season under the new ME before posting my comments on the differences from Beta but the narrative on display here, where moderators are tacitly condoning attacking the section of the user base who are just asking reasonable questions has led to the following;

 

I personally put about 200 hours into the Beta and I'm about 2 hours/ 12 games into the full release.

i dont see any changes, not one. i notice there was a 3.5 GB update but honestly i havent noticed anything different from the Beta. I'm sure there will be plenty on here who want to try and belittle me or direct their abuse in my direction now but....not 1 change, not one bit of difference.

of course, if someone from SI wants to point out any of the differnces that i cant see, i'll take that on-board and maybe stand corrected but until then. NOT ONE SINGLE DIFFERENCE !!!

If You were being honest you'd have mentioned that the movements of IFs are better now

[FrazT (Inactive)]

1 minute ago, StevehFC said:

Just downloading game now. Is their a dark skin for this year's game to download? 

Check in the Skinning Forum for alternatives

[Pasonen (Inactive)]

FM22 is hands down best version of FM. There's no question about it. For the people who now think there's a problem with possession that's true! BUT its still 10x better to have too much possession time to time than underdogs clearing ball for you to press on again and again. It's just massive step to a more realistic direction and presentation of football. I applaud SI for taking this risk to turn things around for a even more realistic direction from the arcade rocket pressing and passing. There's still some things to improve but wow this year's version is still a big deal in relatively short amount of time 

[FrazT (Inactive)]

21 minutes ago, Freakiie said:

So, players are still desperate to leave CL winning Bayern for any premier league club that comes in for them because "PL is the better league!!!". Winning the CL? Who cares! You then tell them sure, you sell them for a fair price, that they agree on. 2 days later? They're in your office whining how you're asking way too much for them and suddenly what they consider a  "fair" price is like 20% less of what they considered fair literally 2 days prior.

Seriously, when will SI finally change things so players get over this absurd PL fetish? United in real life struggles like crazy to get top players in, meanwhile in FM every player just goes "holy crap, a PL club wants me? SELL ME NOW!!"

IF you consider that this module is not working as intended, please report it- it wont get looked at if you just mention it in here

[Dbuk1 (Inactive)]

After holidaying the first season in the prem 3 times….the differences are small in stat terms. Average ratings are slightly lower then beta (the thing that caught my eye). The other obvious issues that people are complaining about are still there. 
 

My sample is small obviously. As a side note on some highlights I believe they have adjusted the inside forward role. 

 

Edited November 8, 2021 by Dbuk1

[limey150781 (Inactive)]

So after a couple of hours playing, the ME has definitely improved. The overall feel is smoother, I'm seeing far more variety of goals including some lovely runs from deep from my AMC and CM that are being found with through balls. Crossing seems toned down. I can definitely live with this ME. 

The most frustrating thing I've come across is still in the player search it defaults back to the top of the list after you click on a player. This must surely be an easy fix and it was raised and acknowledged. How isn't it fixed?

[brawla123 (Inactive)]

I wasn't expecting a lot of changes from the beta to release but it seems like this high completion rate/possession issue is going to take a long time to fix. I know it's a known issue but its really killing the experience for me, not being able to trust possession and completed pass stats.