SI Inconsistency: Realism vs Escapism

[phd_angel (Inactive)]

I'm probably being a bit picky here but can't help but notice how Miles (err... SI) has a highly flexible view of reality for FM, switching positions according to the winds, as follows:

- violence and bribery: "no, FM is escapism"

- gay and women's rights: "yes, FM is realism"

- covid impact: "no, FM is escapism"

- Russia ban: "yes, FM is realism"

 

[themadsheep2001 (Inactive)]

FM has always picked which bits of realism it's replicated. If it was a 1:1 simulation, everyone might as well give up their power fantasies of taking non league sides to the top leagues. Neither new or controversial tbh

[Brother Ben (Inactive)]

1 hour ago, phd_angel said:

I'm probably being a bit picky here but can't help but notice how Miles (err... SI) has a highly flexible view of reality for FM, switching positions according to the winds, as follows:

- violence and bribery: "no, FM is escapism"

- gay and women's rights: "yes, FM is realism"

- covid impact: "no, FM is escapism"

- Russia ban: "yes, FM is realism"

 

It's a fine balancing act and they have got it right every time in my opinion.

Are there any on that list that people would disagree with?

[deltablue (Inactive)]

I don't see the arguments for escapism as being about escapism as such. Covid and things like violence/bribery cross a certain line in having a negative impact on the player that the other things mentioned do not. Aside from the legal issues about having such stories about a real-life player or staff member, it would also seem like an arbitrary thing to suddenly pop up to have a player arrested or opponents engaging in bribery. I'm sure that having a team hit by a Covid outbreak (or even a key player out at the wrong time) would generate a large number of complaints about how the game seems intent on screwing you over (and we have enough of that already).

The Russia ban does obviously affect players but not in the same way. You know where you stand when you start a new save ot take a job with a Russian club and it's not something that suddenly appears to have a negative impact on how you're doing. In my opinion SI are sticking to a consistent policy in terms of how they replicate the game, given that Covid and personal misconduct aren't directly related to football itself in the same way that the Russia ban obviously is, even the fact that some players are gay and women's football obviously exists (and continues to grow).

[themadsheep2001 (Inactive)]

28 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

It's a fine balancing act and they have got it right every time in my opinion.

Are there any on that list that people would disagree with?

See, while I might have personally wanted to see a bit more of the effects of covid in game, I actually think trying to replicate it further would have been impossible to the point of breaking the game, and not in the hyperbolic way that phrase is thrown around. So agree they've pretty much got it right each time

[rusty217 (Inactive)]

I really wish they'd get off the whole "realism" thing.

I couldn't care less about it. The ideal scenario for me would be a game where I can start with a blank slate and create my own ideal footballing world. I want the game mechanics and features, not the database.

[Wolf_pd (Inactive)]

1 hour ago, rusty217 said:

I really wish they'd get off the whole "realism" thing.

I couldn't care less about it. The ideal scenario for me would be a game where I can start with a blank slate and create my own ideal footballing world. I want the game mechanics and features, not the database.

Spoken as a true editor

[oche balboa (Inactive)]

16 hours ago, rusty217 said:

I really wish they'd get off the whole "realism" thing.

I couldn't care less about it. The ideal scenario for me would be a game where I can start with a blank slate and create my own ideal footballing world. I want the game mechanics and features, not the database.

Correct. We need more editor features to create our world as well 

[enigmatic (Inactive)]

tbh there are better examples (the "we've got to have downsides to praising players in the interest of realism" vs the "praise conduct" button...) and super-game-y features like asking clubs for coaching badges, and Directors of Football still feeling a bit half-baked despite relations with them being the most important thing for the majority of professional football managers. Not to mention the January transfers all being factored into an update but happening the previous June...

 

Pretty obvious why seasons randomly ending because of COVID weren't seen as a feature that was likely to improve the game, whilst at the same time allowing Russian teams win the Europa League with teams full of Ukranians was seen as something so far-fretched in the current climate it might be a bit immersion-breaking. Even more obvious why SI might think gay players are a good thing and players getting arrested is a bad thing...

Edited April 5, 2022 by enigmatic

[podunkboy (Inactive)]

Imagine the "realism" of having your star player drop from a heart attack in-game or a plane-load of your players crashes in the Andes and some of them eat the rest of them...there's a delicate line between "immersion" and "frosty cannibalism". 

[Metal (Inactive)]

There should be more violence in the game to be honest. Like headbutts, pushing the ref, chest stamps, fans throwing bottles at players heads, playings fighting against each other on the pitch, career ending tackles.

[kepz (Inactive)]

On 04/04/2022 at 07:13, phd_angel said:

- gay and women's rights: "yes, FM is realism"

Is it really that big of a deal to you that you have to look at a rainbow flag in the crowd? Would you prefer there to be homophobic fanbases like in Brazil to add to your realism experience? 

Dunno how this sort of commentary is allowed to fly on here tbh.

[Garethjohn79 (Inactive)]

On 04/04/2022 at 15:13, phd_angel said:

I'm probably being a bit picky here but can't help but notice how Miles (err... SI) has a highly flexible view of reality for FM, switching positions according to the winds, as follows:

- violence and bribery: "no, FM is escapism"

- gay and women's rights: "yes, FM is realism"

- covid impact: "no, FM is escapism"

- Russia ban: "yes, FM is realism"

 

Even though your post is hard to understand as it makes absolutely no sense. I gather you don't like FM following what FIFA, UEFA and the rest of the world has done and want it entirely realistic or entirely to suit you the players made up reality.

The Russia ban is reality and works with the game as that is what is happening during the FM updates just like transfers and player bans do.

There couldn't be a Covid game could there have a think to yourself? It would have been version where all leagues are locked down with only the Belarusian available for 4 months? Leagues closing for two years, opening and then closing, banning fans, letting a few in. It changed weekly.  You would have a Football game with no Football!!!. 

They could have released ''sitting at home in your pants while watching conspiracy films'' SIM.

 

[FrazT (Inactive)]

5 hours ago, Metal said:

There should be more violence in the game to be honest. Like headbutts, pushing the ref, chest stamps, fans throwing bottles at players heads, playings fighting against each other on the pitch, career ending tackles.

You have been around long enough to know that this will not happen as SI have said multiple times before

[Metal (Inactive)]

14 hours ago, FrazT said:

You have been around long enough to know that this will not happen as SI have said multiple times before

I'm sure I remember during champ man series players would get month long bans for pushing referees after the Di Canio fiasco irl.

Anyway I'm not expecting it to happen, all I'm saying is that it should happen to bring more randomness and chaos to the game.

Edited April 6, 2022 by Metal

[Carambau (Inactive)]

20 hours ago, Metal said:

There should be more violence in the game to be honest. Like headbutts, pushing the ref, chest stamps, fans throwing bottles at players heads, playings fighting against each other on the pitch, career ending tackles.

I remember you could enter some specific command in former CMs files and that did just that  

Edited April 6, 2022 by Carambau

[DarJ (Inactive)]

17 hours ago, kepz said:

Is it really that big of a deal to you that you have to look at a rainbow flag in the crowd? Would you prefer there to be homophobic fanbases like in Brazil to add to your realism experience? 

of course you're going to focus on that when he gave other examples as well and he did say if he was for it or against it.

Edited April 6, 2022 by DarJ

[samuelawachie (Inactive)]

Rooney is angry. He pushes Player X. The referee reaches for his back pocket and sends him off!

I remember that used to be on the game coz it happened to my brother who always played as Man United and I used to tease him about it. 
 

I agree with the people that say that they’ve navigated these issues as best they could. I just want more jostling with the ball. When a player loses the ball, he runs after it and tries to win it back for his team like they would IRL. 

That’s the kinda realism I’m hoping to see more and more of. 

[kepz (Inactive)]

1 hour ago, DarJ said:

of course you're going to focus on that when he gave other examples as well and he did say if he was for it or against it.

What is this supposed to mean exactly?

[Metal (Inactive)]

FM has gone far to politically correct in recent times to the point where you are not even allowed to call out certain things which have no place in the game.

[Brasilia88 (Inactive)]

If one were to imply all these aspects, the game would become ´dirty´ inwhich ´real´ players ingame wouldl become connected to bribes or other incidentes they don´t want to take part in. As a result, the developers would lose support from clubs and players to make the game. 

[Brother Ben (Inactive)]

1 hour ago, Metal said:

FM has gone far to politically correct in recent times to the point where you are not even allowed to call out certain things which have no place in the game.

Like what exactly?

[Metal (Inactive)]

37 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:

Like what exactly?

If I said what they were I'd be banned

[santy001 (Inactive)]

Covid did have an impact on the game, it just wasn't replicated fully. What would fall under violence though? Players have committed murder, they have committed sexual assault. There have been brawls out in city centres on weekends. There have been players involved in robberies. That covers different types of violence before you even get to on the pitch events.

I personally don't have much interest in systems that can be tied to regen players only where you could have a 1/10,000 or 1/100,000 chance of losing your best player because they murdered someone or sexually assaulted someone. It's a waste of time developing that in my mind. 

8 minutes ago, Metal said:

If I said what they were I'd be banned

Doesn't that go some way to perhaps at least causing a bit of recognition in your own mind. I mean be brave, share your views with us. If they're racist, bigoted, discriminatory - absolutely we'll come down on you like a ton of bricks. If its a criticism of the game then its fine as long as its not a mindless attack. But at least you can be true to yourself rather than being a bit cowardly and just trying to preserve your posting rights by not sharing what you really think and only alluding to it vaguely.

[Metal (Inactive)]

53 minutes ago, santy001 said:

Covid did have an impact on the game, it just wasn't replicated fully. What would fall under violence though? Players have committed murder, they have committed sexual assault. There have been brawls out in city centres on weekends. There have been players involved in robberies. That covers different types of violence before you even get to on the pitch events.

I personally don't have much interest in systems that can be tied to regen players only where you could have a 1/10,000 or 1/100,000 chance of losing your best player because they murdered someone or sexually assaulted someone. It's a waste of time developing that in my mind. 

Doesn't that go some way to perhaps at least causing a bit of recognition in your own mind. I mean be brave, share your views with us. If they're racist, bigoted, discriminatory - absolutely we'll come down on you like a ton of bricks. If its a criticism of the game then its fine as long as its not a mindless attack. But at least you can be true to yourself rather than being a bit cowardly and just trying to preserve your posting rights by not sharing what you really think and only alluding to it vaguely.

lol I'm on content moderation so I have to mind my words otherwise people get offended easily and I know a ban awaits if I say the wrong thing or as what I say and mean can get misconstrued. I'd love to swear, rant and rave about certain things, but I know it's not tolerated, It's not about being brave it's about abiding by the rules of the forum which are considerably strict.

so my political views which are not racist, bigotry, or discriminatory are neither conservative which will be too much for the forum to handle so I choose to refrain from going into more detail just like I refrain from criticising the mechanics of the game too much as I've been warned before about being too negative

[santy001 (Inactive)]

Content moderation just means that moderators see your posts before they are visible on the forums as a whole. People can't get offended by posts they don't see. 

1 hour ago, Metal said:

I'd love to swear, rant and rave about certain things, but I know it's not tolerated, It's not about being brave it's about abiding by the rules of the forum which are considerably strict.

Can you not think of a more acceptable and informed way to deliver your points and criticisms? Swearing, ranting, raving, what do they achieve? There's no benefit to that. Just saying "I dislike X because of Y" is a million times more helpful in a feedback thread than just an angry tirade. Surely if the forums were so strict this topic would've already gone? At this point though its better to draw a line under it rather than detract any further from the thread. You've explained you don't want to go in depth any further with your views which is fine. Kind of makes the initial posts a bit weird though.

That aside, I'm fairly sure you are able to check your profile to see explicitly what you've been warned for in the past. 

[Nicenoise (Inactive)]

6 часов назад, kepz сказал:

What is this supposed to mean exactly?

it's a game about football, not about taking a stance 

[kepz (Inactive)]

3 minutes ago, Nicenoise said:

it's a game about football, not about taking a stance 

What stance is being taken? That gay people exist? That women play football?

[kepz (Inactive)]

1 hour ago, Metal said:

I'd love to swear, rant and rave about certain things,

You sound like a great person to be in public with. 

[JordanMillward_1 (Inactive)]

6 hours ago, Metal said:

If I said what they were I'd be banned

It's alright @Metal, you can say it, other's have. It's the pride flags and the intention of adding women's football to the game, isn't it? I'm LGBT, and whilst I disagree with the idea that politics shouldn't be involved in football (because politics has always been part of football, one way or another), I'm genuinely interested in the views of people who disagree, as long as it's not just "Keep Pride and women out of football - oh yea, but I'm 100% not a bigot!"

[Metal (Inactive)]

2 hours ago, JordanMillward_1 said:

It's alright @Metal, you can say it, other's have. It's the pride flags and the intention of adding women's football to the game, isn't it? I'm LGBT, and whilst I disagree with the idea that politics shouldn't be involved in football (because politics has always been part of football, one way or another), I'm genuinely interested in the views of people who disagree, as long as it's not just "Keep Pride and women out of football - oh yea, but I'm 100% not a bigot!"

I don't have a problem with pride flags, don't notice them and I doubt a considerable amount of work was done to place them in the game and considering the LGBT are a marginalised group it's a good thing like the no to racism and war child which are big problems in the world. What I do have a problem with is the amount of time, resources and energy is placed into the political side of the game which don't add anything of value to the game while neglecting the core principles of the gameplay surrounding the game itself, i.e tactics, player interaction and man management while we're told time and time again that SI are a small team with limited resources.

I'm not against the idea of women's football but when it is such a small niche then I think it's a waste of time. There isn't a market for it, it's not popular in the mainstream even though skysports try to ram it down our throats. If women's football was as big as say women's tennis then it would make sense for SI to spend their time bringing it into the game. How many household name women footballers are there? How many women currently are interested in football games let alone football management. Sure there is an increase of women taking interest in taking up the sport and I'm all for that, but to start making games for that audience is premature in my opinion.

Besides that another poster made a good point, there were glaring issues even after the winter update, which many people complained about, but we were told there was no time to fix them, but then we found out there was enough time to ban a whole entire nation from the game in time for the final update{which I don't oppose as its relfected in real life}. But then you can argue why not take out the Ukranian league if it was all about realism.

Then there is the feature of players coming out revealing their sexuality, which adds nothing to game other than virtue signalling. Now I have no problem with gay people{individuals are free to choose who they want to be with so long as they are not hurting others) and actually can't stand intolerant homophobes{I know I made a joke on here saying to sell a gay player but that was a satirical joke, admittedly a poor one), Anyway this has nothing to do with whether you agree with it, but making a point of a playing coming out in the press is as relevant as a playing coming out to reveal that they're a born again Christrian, or now a Muslim convert, or Jew. it's completely of no value to the game and is not a big issue in real life. If it created scanerios where the player improved or delivered a dilemma on the amount of extra scrutiny from the media the player received whereby the manager then had to take extra steps to protect the player  , then I would be all for it. But in the end it leads to nothing 

It's all this PC fluff which is focused on rather than the immersion and gameplay on the pitch which is neglected. I'd rather SI focus on things like crowd audio, so we have more varied chants, better stadium lighting so I can tell the difference between when a game is played during the day or night. More individual unique tendencies of players to do certain moves on the pitch, fixing the thousands of bugs  with transfers, player interaction more depth and realism, and more politics within the club to do with player power, board  and manager conflict and concentrating on fixing the nuances of the M.E so players actually do what you instruct them to do.

I don't want irrelevant political correct things rammed down our throats because at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if Greta and climate change was introduced in the game in the coming editions

[DarJ (Inactive)]

13 hours ago, kepz said:

What is this supposed to mean exactly?

My point is just the fact that he didn't state his opinion specifically on that subject, it was just part of his argument for something else and you just assumed he was against it 

[DarJ (Inactive)]

48 minutes ago, Metal said:

But in the end it leads to nothing 

In their defence I don't think it takes that much effort to add that anyway an I believe it comes with a little financial boost for the club

[HUNT3R (Inactive)]

2 hours ago, Metal said:

I don't have a problem with pride flags, don't notice them and I doubt a considerable amount of work was done to place them in the game and considering the LGBT are a marginalised group it's a good thing like the no to racism and war child which are big problems in the world.

2 hours ago, Metal said:

I'm not against the idea of women's football but when it is such a small niche then I think it's a waste of time. There isn't a market for it, it's not popular in the mainstream even though skysports try to ram it down our throats. If women's football was as big as say women's tennis then it would make sense for SI to spend their time bringing it into the game. How many household name women footballers are there? How many women currently are interested in football games let alone football management.

Kick It Out is about race equality. Women's football being added in the game is a sign of its rise in popularity, but a part of it is about gender equality. It's also a multi-year project and will mostly fund itself, so we're not missing out on other features because of this. Women's football is growing in popularity and it's addition to the game is not being released now, but in the future when it should be even more popular than it is now. I am sure SI will have taken that into consideration as well.

 

2 hours ago, Metal said:

Sure there is an increase of women taking interest in taking up the sport and I'm all for that, but to start making games for that audience is premature in my opinion.

You're making the mistake of thinking only women will interested in the women's game. This isn't the case. 

 

2 hours ago, Metal said:

Besides that another poster made a good point, there were glaring issues even after the winter update, which many people complained about, but we were told there was no time to fix them, but then we found out there was enough time to ban a whole entire nation from the game in time for the final update{which I don't oppose as its relfected in real life}. But then you can argue why not take out the Ukranian league if it was all about realism.

Russia was banned by FIFA and UEFA from all competitions. Ukraine was not.

 

2 hours ago, Metal said:

Then there is the feature of players coming out revealing their sexuality, which adds nothing to game other than virtue signalling. Now I have no problem with gay people{individuals are free to choose who they want to be with so long as they are not hurting others) and actually can't stand intolerant homophobes{I know I made a joke on here saying to sell a gay player but that was a satirical joke, admittedly a poor one), Anyway this has nothing to do with whether you agree with it, but making a point of a playing coming out in the press is as relevant as a playing coming out to reveal that they're a born again Christrian, or now a Muslim convert, or Jew.

It's again about equality (like race and gender, but this time sexuality) and it's a very small feature.

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If it created scanerios where the player improved or delivered a dilemma on the amount of extra scrutiny from the media the player received whereby the manager then had to take extra steps to protect the player  , then I would be all for it. But in the end it leads to nothing 

 

 

 

The fact that nothing more happens is precisely the point. It shouldn't be a big deal that someone has revealed that they're gay. It shouldn't be headline news that carries on for weeks or months. A player reveals their sexuality and then things carry on as normal, as it should.

2 hours ago, Metal said:

it's completely of no value to the game and is not a big issue in real life.

Regarding the bolded part, this was written yesterday:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61006717

This is about a footballer feeling the pressure of expressing himself by wearing clothes that's different. Clothes! 

"It's difficult for young players to express themselves and live a life which is under the magnifying glass. Sometimes you feel like you can't let your hair down or feel free as a human being."

If someone wearing different clothes doesn't feel free as a human being, imagine how someone who is gay feels like?

 

2 hours ago, Metal said:

I don't want irrelevant political correct things rammed down our throats because at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if Greta and climate change was introduced in the game in the coming editions

Can you explain what's being rammed down your throat?

A player coming out as gay will generate a single news item and then you don't see it again.

A rainbow flag is easy to ignore if it's not something you care about.

Women's football being added will done so as an addition to the living, breathing football world we already have.

Russia has been banned IRL, so SI is just reflecting that. I can see why people are upset about this and I can understand if this is what you feel has been rammed down your throat, but it has happened so the game mirrors that.

[spiroxes2032 (Inactive)]

Will the Russian club and national team be banned forever from continental competition in the game? i mean the war will not last forever if the ban take 3-4 year it will be more reasonable

[HUNT3R (Inactive)]

7 minutes ago, spiroxes2032 said:

Will the Russian club and national team be banned forever from continental competition in the game? i mean the war will not last forever if the ban take 3-4 year it will be more reasonable

They have been banned indefinitely by UEFA and FIFA, so they're banned indefinitely in FM as well.

[spiroxes2032 (Inactive)]

15 minutes ago, HUNT3R said:

They have been banned indefinitely by UEFA and FIFA, so they're banned indefinitely in FM as well.

no i mean maybe the war will stop in about one or two years from now and maybe the ban will be lifted too

[HUNT3R (Inactive)]

2 minutes ago, spiroxes2032 said:

no i mean maybe the war will stop in about one or two years from now and maybe the ban will be lifted too

Nobody knows when the ban will be lifted. It could be 1 year or it could be in 40 years.

[bsanchezb (Inactive)]

6 minutes ago, HUNT3R said:

Nobody knows when the ban will be lifted. It could be 1 year or it could be in 40 years.

But you confirm that the ban will eventually be lifted in some time. So would be better to do a similar to Brexit situation, where the game randomly "decides" when the ban will be lifter. Could be 5 years, could be 15... Just do your guess, as SI already did for Brexit.

[HUNT3R (Inactive)]

16 minutes ago, bsanchezb said:

But you confirm that the ban will eventually be lifted in some time. So would be better to do a similar to Brexit situation, where the game randomly "decides" when the ban will be lifter. Could be 5 years, could be 15... Just do your guess, as SI already did for Brexit.

It's not something anyone can confirm because currently it is literally an indefinite ban. I make an assumption when I say it will eventually be lifted. It could be another 200 years for all we know. It might be never.

I haven't followed Brexit very closely, but IIRC it was confirmed that Brexit will happen and even a rough idea of a time line.

 

[MBarbaric (Inactive)]

3 ore fa, HUNT3R ha scritto:

It's not something anyone can confirm because currently it is literally an indefinite ban. I make an assumption when I say it will eventually be lifted. It could be another 200 years for all we know. It might be never.

I haven't followed Brexit very closely, but IIRC it was confirmed that Brexit will happen and even a rough idea of a time line.

 

you really don't have a rough idea the war will end? it will go on for 200 years? Sure you didn't mean 2000?

It is obviously done decision, right or wrong/realistic or not, it is something SI has right to do and did it. Why insult intelligence of forumites with excuses that make no sense?

[Junkhead (Inactive)]

I suspect that if the war is ongoing into the next release, that Russia will be sanctioned in game further, with possible removal of the league. Just a hunch.

For me, someone who plays in a realistic way, the biggest possible game changer in FM as a long term player would be a dynamic world. Countries leaving/joining the EU or EEA, actual solid investment in entire new leagues (like in the US with the MLS 30 years ago), clubs folding, clubs forming, clubs relegated a number of divisions due to financial issues (IE. Parma or Palermo), former players buying and funding smaller clubs like Salford,  competition changes like changes in foreigner rules, numbers of clubs in leagues, etc. I would like every single save to be different, with the potential for some real changes. I was really pleased when Brexit was implemented because you never knew which one you were going to get. To my knowledge, this is the only time anything actually dynamic has impacted the game world.

Of course I know this won't happen because of licensing, which is a real shame, IMO.

Oh, and @Metal, the reason Political Correctness is called "Political Correctness" is because it's correct. Pretty obvious, really. 

[Carambau (Inactive)]

I like the current game as it is. BUT:

For about 30 years now I am hoping for an editing function to change the starting year of the game. Is it so hard to include an option to change the date at the beginning of the game?

[Junkhead (Inactive)]

1 minute ago, Carambau said:

I like the current game as it is. BUT:

For about 30 years now I am hoping for an editing function to change the starting year of the game. Is it so hard to include an option to change the date at the beginning of the game?

This won't be allowed due to licensing I wouldn't have thought.

[HUNT3R (Inactive)]

21 minutes ago, MBarbaric said:

you really don't have a rough idea the war will end? it will go on for 200 years? Sure you didn't mean 2000?

 

I'm not talking about the war. I am talking about the ban that's in place. UEFA and FIFA banned Russia indefinitely. We have no idea if and when the ban will be lifted.

[Kingstontom88 (Inactive)]

All games have to have balance - even those that profess to represent reality. You can play first person shooters and take multiple bullet hits and still run around. You can play city building simulators and put a skyscraper next to a farm. You can play RPG games and die, and just restart the next mission. All these game have reality based in them, but there is a nuance of picking and choosing what real life allows and what creativity should be included to make a game what it is - an escape from reality, creating our own world - but we have to have some element of truth to it for it to be true to us as individuals as well.

What must also be remembered is that FM is a product - it has to be marketed as such - and so many look at products and companies for their political stances and the like these days. Taking a stance on gay rights, Russia, racism, women's sport.etc makes sense and let's be honest - who suffers from it?

[kepz (Inactive)]

10 hours ago, Metal said:

I'm not against the idea of women's football but when it is such a small niche then I think it's a waste of time

https://www.espn.com/soccer/barcelona-barcelona_women/story/4628542/barcelona-real-madrid-womens-champions-league-clash-breaks-attendance-world-record
 

seems a little less “niche” than Vanarama league south but what do I know?

[rusty217 (Inactive)]

5 hours ago, Junkhead said:

For me, someone who plays in a realistic way, the biggest possible game changer in FM as a long term player would be a dynamic world. Countries leaving/joining the EU or EEA, actual solid investment in entire new leagues (like in the US with the MLS 30 years ago), clubs folding, clubs forming, clubs relegated a number of divisions due to financial issues (IE. Parma or Palermo), former players buying and funding smaller clubs like Salford,  competition changes like changes in foreigner rules, numbers of clubs in leagues, etc. I would like every single save to be different, with the potential for some real changes. I was really pleased when Brexit was implemented because you never knew which one you were going to get. To my knowledge, this is the only time anything actually dynamic has impacted the game world.

Of course I know this won't happen because of licensing, which is a real shame, IMO.

I would both love and hate those things.

I'd love it if they were all options that I was in control of (or the AI in terms of the financial stuff). I'd absolutely hate it if they just randomly happened though. I don't think licensing is necessairly an issue either, OOTP allows most, if not all, of those things. So many things SI could learn from that series!

[Neil Brock]

11 minutes ago, rusty217 said:

I would both love and hate those things.

I'd love it if they were all options that I was in control of (or the AI in terms of the financial stuff). I'd absolutely hate it if they just randomly happened though. I don't think licensing is necessairly an issue either, OOTP allows most, if not all, of those things. So many things SI could learn from that series!

Have to say from a personal perspective, love what OOTP do with their game. 

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17 minutes ago, rusty217 said:

I would both love and hate those things.

I'd love it if they were all options that I was in control of (or the AI in terms of the financial stuff). I'd absolutely hate it if they just randomly happened though. I don't think licensing is necessairly an issue either, OOTP allows most, if not all, of those things. So many things SI could learn from that series!

See, it's the randomness I want. No doubt it would be infuriating at times, but then, so is life.

I thought the current season and it's clubs and rules are licensed each season so the rules have to stay static, although I could be wrong. Seem to remember the USA league start dates being impacted by this.